I have been called forth from my slumber regarding the issue with Tibet. As I write this, I am wasting what precious homework time I have. Need I remind you that I could also be working on my company (FOR ALL OF YOUR HOSTING SOLUTIONS, CONTACT ME ON MSN).
Therefore, you can safely assume that I have something important to say.
In the beginning, when the mass revolt (and I say revolt because it was not a peaceful demonstration) happened in Tibet I lent an ear here or there listening to what the western world is planning next to derail China from its destined path to greatness. I sat waiting, seeing what would happen.
Finally when I decided that the Western World has given up and has accepted that China is just far too superior, it began (it's a conspiracy I tell you). I don't need to go over the rest of the details with you because I expect you to know about it already.
The whole issue with the Olympics. I now think that the whole situation is a disaster. China took it way too seriously. When I went back this summer, the Olympics-fever was everywhere.
And I tell you, it disgusted me a bit. What is the reason? China is recognized by the western world as a socially stable nation. My opinion, who cares what the West thinks? As long as they get their cheap toys they won't do anything too drastic toward China anyways. They can't do anything drastic, they need us. I expected some small troubles to arise, but as you can see now. It is becoming out of hand.
I was discussing this issue with Jeremy and he agrees with me on this topic.
Here's our conversation:
Matt - just like the whole fecking tibet situation
i bet if u asked 90% of the people where's tibet?
they will tell you:
duh, it's in asia
and things like why should tibet be free?
duh, 'cause they're oppressed
duh, 'cause they're enslaved
from who?
duh, the chinese gov't
how?
using military force
when?
i dunno
Jeremy - yo, matt, believe it or not
just the other day, my mum's bf
whom i have very little respect for
was bashing china
he was like
blah blah blah... china is bad.... blah blah blah
falun gong is good... blah blah blah opressors
Matt - lol
FALUN GONG IS GOOD?!
LMFAO
Jeremy - but basically, his argument boiled down to if you support china
you support the rape of women
and the enslavement of children
and organ harvesting
and I'm like, wow.
and yeah, I did mention the whole brainwash cult thing
but he was like, freedom of religion, bitch
so i tried to explain to him
that falun gong is a brainwash cult that tends to harm it's own devotee's
a la people's temple
see, what I think the problem is is that
people read the news, or watch it or they hear it
and then they jump on it
as if it's the godspoken truth
and then boast about knowing it
Matt - they feel after they heard one snippet
Jeremy - as if it makes them so well educated, so well informed
Matt - yeah
they know about it all
Jeremy - when all they've heard is one damn bit
Matt - from one side
from one view
Jeremy - not comprehensive, not even one sidedly intelligent
Matt - one opinion
exactly
...
*PLEASE NOTE* Jeremy's opinions only pertain to what he wrote in the conversation above. Please don't hold any grudges against him for whatever else I have written
The conversation continued, but that was the general thesis.
Jeremy, by the way, is running for co-prez this year. Based on the conversation mentioned above, I can personally say, he is ready to lead.
Anyways, back to the original topic.
People in the western world are always criticizing bigots. *DING DING DING* I taste irony. For once, I want the western people to stop minding the other people business, and mind their own.
The western nations have done so much wrong, their sins are splattered throughout the pages of the history.
Yet they are so quick to criticize other people, other nations, other communities, other factions, basically to any if not all who oppose their own views and bias.
Have you noticed that the western countries call for change of other countries, but never pronounce their own? Have they evolved to the point where nothing else can ever be improved? I leave that for you to decide.
China has 56 unique ethnicities, and this does NOT include all the other nationalities who immigrated to China over time:
If Canada is multi-cultural, what is China? Food for thought.
I now find the Olympics to be a giant hassle. I was used to be excited for China, now I realize that it was just a huge trap.
That incident in Paris? Mind I remind you that the torch bearer is a handicapped girl sitting in a wheel chair. May that burden the conscience of the terrorists who tried to extinguish the flame, FOREVER.
What do I see? A gaggle of peaceful protesters? On the contrary, I see savages.
Pictures are worth 1000 words:
Truth brought by a Tibetan:
*Hard to read, but proves the point none-the-less, can't find another bigger version.*More pictures: http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/977/03/45/0_1.html
Everywhere I turn, I see sinophobia (a pun from xenophobia). These protesters are not pro-Tibet, they are anti-China.
With that note, I end this entry. But before I go, I will provide you, the readers some more reading material. This is the side less heard about in the World of the West.
If you do agree, these will further our arguments.
If you don't agree, these will broaden your horizons.
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
by Michael Parenti, PhD
http://www.swans.com/library/art9/mparen01.html
Tibet: The Truth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
Proof of Western Media Distortion:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
http://www.anti-cnn.com/
More information:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
~n0n4m3
7 comments:
def going on sunday...
Man, it has been a while. This comment section is far too small to debate this whole Tibet thing, which I suppose is why we came up with that forum.
Anyway, my biggest concern with this whole affair is that people are getting information from sources that skew the information to try to prove a point rather than factually inform us of what's going on. And this is happening on BOTH sides. I'm not really sure who to trust on this matter, obviously the Western media is biased towards the Tibetan side (perhaps pandering to the Western society's lust for the triumph of the underdog), but at the same time the Chinese government has such a strangle-hold on the information passing in and out of that country that I can't really take them without a grain of salt either (do you really think the Dalai Lama cooprating with terrorists? Or that the Taleban is active in Xinjiang?). So far I've gone with the only international news I trust, that being the BBC. Who knows if even what they're saying is accurate.
I don't think it's a matter of the Western world solely trying to shift the focus from their own problems to another country's, I think it's fair to say we've advanced to the point where we can multi-task. Besides, whether or not another country has done some horrible things does not justify another country doing it. Were the Tutsi's in Rwanda during the genocide comforted by the fact that millions more Jews were wiped out during the Holocaust? I think not. Obviously, that's an extreme example.
I guess my stance is anti-violent protesting, but I'm certainly not completely against Tibet receiving autonomy. In fact, if the allegations ar true that they were forced into signing the 17-point agreement, that makes me tend to sympathize with them. In addition, I believe the claims that the rising Han Chinese population could eradicate the so-called "Tibetan" culture are at least partially valid. The Panchen Lama affair, too, is an event where I do not agree with the Chinese government's actions.
This utilization of the Olympics as a vehicle through which their political agenda can be heard is certainly not something I advocate, especially since in ancient times the Olympics was a time when city-states put aside their conflicts in celebration of the games.
At the same time, I can understand why they choose to do so. Do you honestly think the Tibetans could get anything out of talks with the Chinese government? I don't. This is really just a last-ditch attempt at gaining independence, and I can understand them as such.
I think it's a lost cause anyway, because eve with the thinly veiled support of the Western world I doubt Tibet really has the fire-power to forcibly gain autonomy, and I also doubt that after the efforts they've put in to keeping Tibet part of China, the Chinese government will let them go through peaceful negotiations.
Obviously I'm just a third-party oberver, and I'm not trying to come across as some sort of violent, "Free Tibet" screaming activist, and indeed I suspect all these pro-Independence acts are futile anyway, but I don't think the Chinese government can or should be absolved from blame in this whole affair.
Ultimately, I think the whole thing is a concentration of world tension, and my main concern is that the media bias is creating a greater rift between the sides than there need be.
I'd write a longer, more educated response if I didn't have to go translate more f***ing Cicero.
Cheers, and man does this ever being back memories.
Hey Adam, why don't you update man?! That was definitely enough time for an update!
Anyways, now to counter your points:
Dalai Lama cooperating with which terrorists (the ones in Tibet or do you mean the conventional Arab terrorist XD)? If you are wondering about the Tibetan terrorists, then I say, I can't really know for sure. Because people tend to forget (or should I say that the CIA might've covered up) that if the Dalai wanted to do something, then really, every single "spiritual Tibetan monk" is under his absolute command. People fail to realize how much power he truly possesses, it is MUCH MUCH MUCH greater than the power of the Pope (and this is NOT from the Chinese media, this is from family experience, my dad's uncle went to Tibet and experienced this first hand). But does this mean they should follow the Dalai blindly? If you say yes, then I want you to consider any type of cult, where the mass is controlled psychologically by one person. Isn't this like a communism state you ask? To a certain extent, yes, but it's still different, because people aren't obliged to do so spiritually (people go crazy with religion).
As for the Xinjiang province under control of the Taliban, I don't think so, but are there terrorist organizations in Xinjiang, hell yes. (Anyways, Xinjiang is connected to Afghanistan, and that border is very loosely guarded, so who knows what the Taliban is capable of?)
As for the sources I've provided, as you can see most of them (if not all) are not derived from the Chinese gov't, or the CCTV. I tried to get as much of a western report on things as possible.
And why doesn't China open it's media to the public? To stop the further advances of media bias is definitely one of them. And the other reason? This matter is of Chinese-internal affairs, and there was no genocide. The number of deaths? Doesn't matter what they report, they are mostly (if not all) caused by the Tibetan terrorists anyways. There are numerous western blogs reporting the lack of police brutalities as well.
As for western-countries evolving to be able to multi-task, no offence, but do you realize how arrogant you've just sounded? Does not matter what the western world evolved to, but the orientals (that's right, orientals, not just China) will always remember how the western nations destroyed and raped and pillaged and plundered and stole and completely DESTROYED/taken away so much of our culture, our artefacts, our history for more than ONE HUNDRED years.
You can try to argue that point Adam, but I just want you to know that for every one sentence you write, I'll counter it with 2.
Anyways, once again, Adam, those examples are extreme. But you know what? That's what the western media is playing at. That's what the tibetan protestors and terrorists are playing at. The situation in Tibet is DEFINITELY NOT A GENOCIDE!!
As for Tibet receiving autonomy, read a history text book about Tibet over the last 300 years. There's more than enough evidence. Please keep in mind, that Tibet "separated" because of the British in the first place, they signed an agreement w/out Chinese gov't agreement and this was back when the all the western people recognized Tibet as a part of China .
As for the the Han Chinese eradicating the Tibetan culture? My response is, do you then believe the claims that the white people could eradicate the so-called aboriginal culture is partially valid? If no, then China is like Canada, if so, then Canada should worry about it's internal affairs first because we ALL know that whatever is happening in Canada right now to the aboriginal people is FAR from alright. In fact, I will challenge you, that Tibet is probably even better off than the aboriginals in NA.
For talks with the Chinese Gov't? Read above paragraph(s). And if you read the sources I provided, which is valid, and mostly has no connections to the Chinese gov't, you'll understand what I'm talking about too.
As for the Chinese gov't being absolved from the whole affair? Heck no, are there faults, oh yes. But you know what, honestly, if it wasn't for China, Tibet would be in a FAR worse condition. (refer to history around 50-100 years ago)
Anyways, those are my answers. I have plenty of grammar mistakes, and probably confusing bits, but I don't care anymore, I'm going to bed. I'm exhausted, time is becoming more and more scarce.
(You should make an update soon Adam, see? we talk to ea/ other this way. I haven't talked to you in such a long time)
he cant have, no way, it's not possible, no!!! he updated!!! the end of humanity as we know it is coming!!!
ok, on to addressed the Tibet issue: first of all, let me take on a more objective approach with (hopefully) no biases about what the Chinese government should have done in the beginning to encourage maximum obedience, not that it is the morally right thing to do, but it is the most practical thing to do imo. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION based on some historical research and the Chinese government are way smarter than me so they probably have some reason for doing what they have done.
So here it goes:
1) I think it was a mistake for the Communist party not to identify itself with a religion. It guarantees much more loyalty and less resistance. People are much more inclined to listen if they think their afterlife depends on it too.
2) By the same token, I think it was a mistake for the party to have not reached some kind of agreement with the Dalai Lama. Eg, the USA kept Hirohito on the throne of Japan to encourage loyalty, and in the days of American intervention, there have to few to none Japanese resistance. A figurehead can do wonders.
3) Let it come to a vote! Seriously, there are a LOT of hans in Tibet, let’s have a free vote about independence, there is NO way that the majority of people would be stupid enough to sever economic ties with China, NO WAY
That’s about it for now, I had a few other ideas about it, but can remember right now
On to the demonstrations, seriously, I see hypocrisy on both sides:
Note that the majority of demonstrators are in fact NOT Tibetan? They’re French, English, and whatever. And the Tibetans who do demonstrate are the extremists, it would be like saying that ALL muslims hate America/Israel just because some extremist like Hamas or Hezbollah or Al Queda do(I’m NOT suggesting that these Tibetan extremists are terrorists, just that they hold radical beliefs).
On the flipside, I don’t like that some many Chinese immigrants are demonstrating, waving Chinese flags. We left voluntarily, and chose to come to Canada, USA, and Australia, whatever. If you ask the flag wavers in San Francisco, who say China is the greatest nation on Earth (I think it could be, but isn’t there yet), I wonder how many would say they want to return to china? My point is, ok, cultural pride is good, but I just don’t like the idea of waving flags for political reasons on another countries land...that’s just me...
And another thing I find really funny, if Chinese people demonstrate, we’ve been brainwashed by the communist party, but if westerners or Tibetans demonstrate, they’re the voice for peace and freedom? Come on! Give me a break.
On to human rights in China:
I’ll be the first to admit that human rights should be increased, but I don’t think the westerners are saints either. For three reasons: i) obviously the imperialism argument, ii) more recently, during the Cold War, the USA propped up a military junta with HORRIBLE human rights record in Greece (tried to do the same in a few other nations), just as a buffer to communism. The american’s didn’t care at all about the Greeks, just that it was a strategic location for them to block USSR advances, iii) Western nations have a disturbing tendency to try to “convert” people, they often operate under the “if you’re not with us, you’re evil” model, as long as a country doesn’t have western rules, they’re automatically savages. I direct you to Singapore, a very advanced city state, yet western nations regularly condemn it for its corporal punishment and harsh rules, despite the fact that Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world
Finally, the Olympics:
I think it was a mistake for China to hold the Olympics. The focused attention was inevitable, China should have foreseen the demonstrations. And honestly, I don’t know why China cares so much what westerners think. They can hate china all they want, but at the end of the day, they’ll go to sleep on beds made in china under blankets made in china. (funny, huh, all the demonstrators who hate china so much, are probably wearing made in china clothes, that’s what I call ironic) I just don’t see why China needs to be act like some self-conscious teenager trying to get the cool kids’ attention...
wow, long comment...
I don't have the energy to respond right now to the entire posts, but I will say that the mistreatment of the Aboriginals does not vindicate whatever happens in Tibet.
I definitely agree that the West has plenty of problems and should try and fix them, and I'm not trying to come off as arrogant, but are you really trying to say that because of internal problems foreign affairs should just be abandoned? And yes, the US foreign affairs is a shambles, you don't have to point that out. Still, world issues such as this one shouldn't be ignored simply because of problems within Western Society. We've all evolved to the point where we can deal with many tasks at hand, even if we aren't really dealing with them.
Do I think the West is sort of rooting for Tibet out of some resentment that China may soon become the world super-power? Perhaps, but there are still many ties between the Orient and Occident. Don't forget, the US media is controlled by a small number of moguls whose primary objective, unlike the BBC, is to make money. Thus, they'll print whatever sells. it doesn't necessarily indicate the government 's opinion.
On your point about the Chinese media controlled by the Chinese government, I really have to say I disagree. You don't think media bias can arise out of a government controlled media? Sure, it'll eliminate anti-government bias, but it sure as hell doesn't eliminate all bias. Look at FOX news, which is practically controlled by the Liberals. FOX is almost fascist.
Some time when I have more energy I'll respond to more of your points, but I remind you that I'm a reasonably neutral third-party and I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone.
And yes, perhaps I'll make an update soon. Something a little lighter, like this moronic Miley Cyrus fiasco.
Karl. You and I are of one mind this matter.
And Adam, you are just getting my hopes up about an update from you aren't you?
Lol
The Tibetan issue is for sure a touchy one. Every possible media source will be focused on China during the Olympics, though I don't think that it will be a bad thing.
I very much agree with you Matt, regarding the fact that many feel that after hearing one little snippet, moreover from biased sources, they are well-educated enough to voice some form of opinion. What angers me is perhaps the fact that it almost feel like Tibetan is almost just a facade some use to ("jie zhe ge ji hui") distort reality (pardon the fact that I can't find the appropriate English words such that I have to use pinyin).
I can't wait to see what will happen during the Olympics...
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